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PPP’s newest Virginia poll finds a pretty steady race with Terry McAuliffe leading Ken Cuccinelli 41-37. Those numbers are virtually unchanged from late May when McAuliffe had a 42-37 advantage. Libertarian Robert Sarvis, included for the first time, polls at 7%. His support is a reflection of voter unhappiness with both candidates.
Virginians aren’t high on Terry McAuliffe. 34% have a favorable opinion of him to 36% with a negative one, and 30% don’t have one either way. But he fares a whole lot better than Ken Cuccinelli, who has a -15 net favorability rating with 32% of voters seeing him positively and 47% unfavorably. This race may come down to who voters think is the lesser of two evils and for now that’s McAuliffe.
The two candidates are tied with men, but McAuliffe leads based on his 7 point advantage with women. Cuccinelli’s 75% of Republicans is slightly more than McAuliffe’s 73% of Democrats, but McAuliffe makes up for that with a 7 point lead among independents at 40/33. McAuliffe leads with every age group except for seniors, where Cuccinelli has a 7 point advantage that’s helping him to keep the race competitive overall.
Democrats lead the down ballot races in the state as well.

The widest margin is in the Lieutenant Governor contest where Ralph Northam has a 7 point lead over E.W. Jackson at 42/35. Jackson has higher name recognition than Northam, but that’s not a good thing because 15% of voters have a positive opinion of him compared to 28% with a negative one. 25% of Republicans are undecided in the race, compared to only 14% of Democrats, suggesting a lot of GOP voters have some doubts about their party nominee.

The closest statewide race is the one for Attorney General where Mark Herring leads Mark Obenshain 38-36 but there is still a substantial percentage of voters- 25%- undecided. Neither candidate in that race has made much of an impact on the public yet. Obenshain’s name recognition is just 33% and Herring’s is 28%, with voters closely divided in their opinions about both of them.
Finally Democrats have a narrow advantage on the generic legislative ballot at 46/42…what that might equate to in terms of ability to gain seats though may be limited by Republican friendly districting lines.
Full results here

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So O’Reilly and Laura Ingraham had a tiff on air about whether social conservatives had been stupid by basing all their arguments against gay marriage on religion; and tonight at 8 pm sometimes pretend gay Greg Gutfeld is hosting O’Reilly instead of Ingraham.

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In Alice in Wonderland, the problem of nominalism is presented in an anecdotal example:
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master — that’s all.”

Social conservatives, including those with gay friends who are all in favor of civil unions, have decided that marriage by definition means one man and one woman, because that’s what they always meant by it, and its what government has always told them it was.  A recent Townhall essay by DC area radio chatterer Derek Hunter is an example.

Derek “some of my best friend’s are gay” Hunter

If you oppose marriage equality and credit this current argument that proponents of gay marriage are “changing” the millennia old definition of marriage as only between a man and a woman, I can tell you lots of gay and lesbian couples, and many of their friends and relatives, have thought of themselves as married for years, but as living in regimes where they are oppressed and their marriages are discriminated against by the government.  They all thought marriage and being married meant plighting one’s troth, being passionately and almost irrevocable committed to another, and that only the facts that most people feel this for someone of an opposite gender, and discriminate against the minority who feel it for the same gender, resulted in its being codified by the state to only refer to heterosexual unions.

This argument is like saying the definition of “person” or “voter” or “property owner” changed when blacks were no longer slaves, or women could vote, or either group could own property. The fact that under these regimes you chose not to call some people “persons” or other committed, romantic life-long relationships “marriage” because the government did not and you did not want to respect the personhood or marital status of some people, doesn’t change the facts that they were persons and those were marriages.

‘Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What’s Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!

What’s in a name? that which we call a rose

By any other name would smell as sweet;

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I wonder if he will have anything to say that one could take seriously?  Will it just be the marriage is for raising children trope, ignoring the fact that gays can raise children?  Or the argument that children should have a parent of each sex, ignoring the facts that the many orphans in the world don’t even have one parent and that gays can easily procreate, especially lesbians, and go on the dole, if you don’t let them marry? (Is a single lesbian mom on welfare a better parent than a married lesbian couple?)

Richard and Helen DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society

The Marriage Debate: What’s at Stake
Ryan T. Anderson
William E. Simon Fellow in Religion and a Free Society, The Heritage Foundation,
and Co-author, What Is Marriage? Man and Woman: A Defense
Kellie Fiedorek
Attorney, Alliance Defending Freedom
Doug Mainwaring
Co-founder, National Capital Tea Party Patriots
Moderated by
Jennifer A. Marshall
Director, DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society, The Heritage Foundation
Marriage is the bedrock institution of society.  It’s also one of the most contentious political issues of our day.  For thousands of years, marriage has existed to bring together a man and a woman as husband and wife to be father and mother to any children their union produces.  And marriage policy is rooted in the reality that men and women are different and children need a mother and a father.
Now the question of who will define marriage policy – the courts or the people – has reached the Supreme Court. On March 26 and 27, the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments on two cases challenging state and federal laws that define marriage as the union of a man and women.
What’s at stake in the marriage debate?  Why does marriage matter for public policy?  What would be the consequences of redefining marriage?  Ryan T. Anderson, author of an amicus brief submitted to the Supreme Court on the marriage cases, Kellie Fiedorek, an attorney with Alliance Defending Freedom, and Doug Mainwaring, co-founder of National Tea Party Patriots and a gay man against redefining marriage will speak on the legal, policy, and cultural issues at the heart of these cases.
Monday, March 25, 2013 at 12:00 p.m.
The Heritage Foundation’s Lehrman Auditorium
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First dogs and cats start hooking up and then…


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Let Us Have Gay Marriage, But not Yet

I have never shared or understood the moral prejudice against homosexual acts. Even as a boy, I thought the legal penalties were unjust. A quarter of a century ago, I wrote an essay in which, among much else, I called for gay marriage to be allowed.

There is currently a gay-marriage Bill before Parliament, and I have not changed my mind on the topic. I am still in favor of gay marriage. If two consenting adults want to live together in close union and can find a consenting minister of religion to bless their union, who are we to object? The same applies to polygamy, polyandry, incest, or any other kind of union between consenting adults. To a libertarian, the sole function of state marriage laws is to offer individuals a package of legal agreements and declarations that they could make for themselves if they wanted to find the money and time.

I accept that there are religious dimensions to heterosexual marriage and that there are utilitarian benefits, so far as strong and stable families give meaning to our lives and are a counterbalance to what might otherwise be the overwhelming power of the state. But these religious dimensions are something for religious believers to embrace. As for the utilitarian benefits, I cannot see how opening the package of legal agreements and declarations to other than monogamous heterosexuals should weaken family life. If two men are allowed to get married in front of a priest, I cannot see how this devalues my own civil marriage.

I also accept that gay marriage is not part of our traditions, and that traditions—especially those of English civilization—should not be attacked. But tradition is not a static force. It changes in the light of new facts. Changes in the law regarding homosexuality have largely followed changes in the social acceptance of homosexuality. We are not talking about the abolition of marriage and the bringing up of all children in state orphanages. It only involves the opening of a package of legal agreements and declarations to other than monogamous heterosexuals.

“The English liberal tradition is about the right to be left alone, not to make unilateral claims against others.”

If you are a devout Catholic or a devout member of various other denominations, you must believe that civil marriages, even between heterosexuals, are state-recognized fornication. You may also deny the validity of any marriage not solemnized by a minister of your denomination, or the validity of a marriage between persons previously divorced. If those are your views, you should not become a civil registrar. There is no place for religious scruples in conducting the ceremonies.
Still, I see no reason why anyone should be obliged to recognize homosexual unions. If I offer any kind of accommodation yet object to gay marriage, I should have the right not to allow two men to sleep with each other in one of my beds. If I am a pub-keeper, I should be at liberty to throw two men out if I see them kissing. If I run any business at all, I should not be required to employ known homosexuals or to keep them on if I later discover their tastes. Nor should I be required to invite their partners to any social events I may organize. Other people should have the right not to do business with me if I want to do any of this and to counsel others not to do business with me. But my right to do as I will with my own must be unquestioned.
The overall guiding principle here is that we have the right to life, liberty, and justly acquired property. From this are derived specific rights to freedom of speech and association, among others. But there is no right here to be loved, or included, or treated as equal in our private dealings. The English liberal tradition is about the right to be left alone, not to make unilateral claims against others.
The problem is that we live in a politically correct police state. Freedom of association has been largely abolished. Freedom of speech is not far behind. Our ruling class makes hardly any new law unless it can be used to subject us to more total control. Regardless of what safeguards on conscience are now promised, I suspect that the Bill before Parliament is the beginning of a process that it is hoped will end in the state control of religion.
We are moving toward this because Christians believe in a source of authority separate from and higher than the state. Until recently, it was the custom of absolute states to make an accommodation with whatever church was largest. In return for being established, the priests would then preach obedience as a religious duty. Modern absolute states, though, are secular. Such were the Jacobin and the Bolshevik tyrannies. Such is our own mild tyranny.

Bad laws do not bind in conscience. And there may be times when even the avoidance of scandal or disorder do not justify public obedience. Any ruling class that has absolutist ambitions and is not willing to make an accommodation with the religious authorities will eventually go too far. It will command things that cannot be given and then find itself staring into a wall of resistance. The French Revolutionaries were taken by surprise. The Bolsheviks knew exactly what they were doing when they hanged all those priests and dynamited those churches. Our own ruling class also knows what it is doing. The politically correct love feast it has been preparing for us throughout my life requires the absolute obedience of the governed to commands that no devout Christian can regard as lawful. Therefore, the gathering attack on Christianity.
This does not yet apply to the other religions. The Jews are untouchable. Besides, religious Jews are a minority within a minority and involve themselves in our national life only so far as is needed to separate themselves from it. The Muslims and others are not really considered part of the nation, or they are considered objective allies of the new order under construction. Or no one wants to provoke them to rioting and blowing themselves up in coffee bars. But other believers must eventually be persecuted should the Christians first be humbled.
Whatever its merits in the abstract, gay marriage must be seen in this light. I can see a time when two men will present themselves before a Catholic priest and demand to be married. When they are refused, they will take the priest to court, and he will be made to pay damages, or be fined, or be otherwise punished. Or, if he conducts the ceremony, he will be suspended by his bishop, and the whole Catholic Church will then be punished. It might be funny to imagine what would happen if these men were to convert to Islam and present themselves before an imam in Tower Hamlets. But this will not happen. It might be the Church of England first—but the Catholic Church will be the main target, because that is the default winner of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries’ religious disputes, and it is now the main barrier against secular tyranny.
It may be that gay marriage will itself be the line beyond which the devout will not be pushed. If so, this would be regrettable. It would be the wrong issue. But I do not think this will be the line. The proposals are too reasonable in themselves, and there is an evident lack of passion within the country at large. Most likely, some churches would give in. Others would face years of internal strife. The rest could be smeared as nests of bigotry and be weakened by loss of tax advantages and by public discrimination against their members. The purpose here of gay marriage is not to bring on a fundamental conflict, but to prevent one by dividing and weakening opposition in advance.

I suspect that the present Bill is less about liberation than about greater enslavement. In a libertarian society, there would be no bar to marriage of any kind between consenting adults. For all I know, some people might, once the proper means were available, want to change sex every couple of years and contract temporary marriages to suit. But we do not live in a libertarian society. We must not lose sight of what ought to be. At the same time, we must take into account what is.
Does this mean I am against the Bill currently before Parliament? I am afraid it does. On the one hand, I strongly agree with the principle of gay marriage. On the other hand, I suspect the intended consequences of its implementation.
In 1685, James II became King of England. His reasonably plain objectives were to undo the Protestant Reformation in England and to make himself as absolute and unaccountable as Louis XIV was in France. At first, he tried to secure these objectives by relying on the support of his Catholic subjects and of useful idiots in the Church of England. After two years, he realized that this was not sufficient support. He therefore reached out to the Protestant dissenters, offering them a full toleration if they would give him their support. Some did take his offer. They had been long and vexatiously persecuted after 1660 and saw the deal’s immediate benefits. Most did not take his offer. They saw it as a first step to general despotism. After the Glorious Revolution, the dissenters did not receive the full equality that James had promised. But they did get an effective toleration in a country still free in its civil institutions.
This should be how all libertarians, of whatever degree, should regard the present Bill. The law to enable civil partnerships was one of the few decent things Labour did. Civil partnerships provide every unit in the package of agreements and declarations that legally define marriage. There is already no law to prevent civil partnerships from being blessed by consenting ministers of religion.
Let this be enough until we have made better times in England—when allowing full marriage to all consenting adults will not be an enabling step toward the tyranny that our masters plainly have in mind for us.

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